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Write what you love – and don't feel guilty about it. Market in a way that you love – and don't feel guilty about it. Publishing wide is a way of life – and only getting better. Plus, what if the future is audio first? This is my round-up from the NINC conference 2018.
In the intro, I mention the launch of Savant, an AI tool for categories, by PublishDrive at Digital Book World. Plus, I won Publishing Commentator of the Year 2018 🙂 You can find a load of interesting tweets about the conference on Twitter #DBW18. I mention this tweet by @kpeters1 about YA sales and Pottermore.
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My round-up from NINC 2018
I’ve just returned from Novelists Inc (NINC) conference at St Pete’s Beach in Florida, a fantastic conference for professional writers. The type of place where you realise that everyone in the room is multi-published over many years, some with 50+ books, and many making multi-six figures in terms of income.
I was thrilled to be amongst writers who challenged me every day and I had meetings with vendors in the publishing market who are doing brilliant things to help authors.
It was well worth going for the conference speakers and the networking opportunities and I hope to return another year. I spoke on content marketing for fiction, and how to grow your book sales internationally.
If you are in the area, make sure you visit the world-class Dali Museum in St Petersburg which has some stunning paintings.
I have pages of notes from the event, but here are my overarching thoughts from the conference.
(1) Write what you love – and don’t feel guilty about it
Dr Jennifer Barnes taught two sessions which had the biggest impact on me. The first was on the Id List, and the other on the psychology of book titles. Jennifer is writing a book on these topics, and I hope to have her on the podcast to talk about them at some point, so this is just an overview to whet your appetite. [She also taught this topic at RWA so I'm not sharing private NINC stuff!]
“Fiction is a pleasure technology,” so our stories should be full of what we like as readers.
There are hard-wired pleasures we have as humans, which include touch, beauty, wealth, status and power, competition, gossip and danger. Books that are full of these things will be popular and book titles (and covers) that indicate these aspects will sell. Examples include Game of Thrones (competition & power), Pretty Little Liars (beauty and gossip), and Crazy Rich Asians (wealth).
There are also idiosyncratic pleasures that we each find irresistible in books. For example, I pick up books that feature Catholic priests/monks, religious objects and relics, ancient manuscripts, angels and demons, thunderstorms, bones, and catacombs. These also feature heavily in my own writing.
Jennifer suggested that you start by identifying what is irresistible for you as a reader (your Id list, based on Freud’s pleasure principle) and make an actual list you can refer back to.
Stop trying to overthink your writing and stop trying to be original every time. Stop editing out things you love because you might have “done it before.” Readers love the same tropes and want to repeat the same experience.
To improve the pleasure experience of your books, consciously add pleasures into your books and make sure you’re hitting all the right pleasure buttons for your readers. That includes hardwired pleasures AND idiosyncratic pleasures from your personal list.
When titling a book, consider the same principles to come up with a better title. Plus, you can use your Id list in your marketing.
I put this into practice immediately for End of Days with an ad that identified some of my id list:
“If you like ancient sarcophagi, buried tombs, serpents and snakes, global adventure and fast-paced conspiracy thrillers, you might enjoy End of Days. “
And I have started my list of things that make me click buy now so I can be sure to include them in future books.
(2) Market in a way that you love – and don’t feel guilty about it
I presented twice at NINC and my first talk was on Content Marketing for Long-Term Fiction Sales.
This was quite a different talk to the number of sessions on paid ads that occurred over the conference. Much of the feedback I received from attendees was their sheer relief at my emphasis on doing what you love and incorporating marketing into your creative life, rather than forcing yourself to do things you don’t like.
The Content Marketing Institute defines content marketing as “creating and distributing valuable, relevant, and consistent content to attract and retain a clearly defined audience – and ultimately, to drive profitable customer action.”
I went into lots of detail on how you can do this, but basically, I just don’t have the personality type to be good and consistent at ads, and many of you out there feel the same 🙂
And that's OK!
I don’t really do spreadsheets, the idea of split testing makes me keel over with boredom, plus, I don’t want to keep paying money to build someone else’s brand over the long term. Maybe you feel that way too?!
Yes, I do ads for my launches and webinars but only for short-term spike marketing, whereas the bulk of my multi-six-figure business is built on content marketing through text (articles), audio (podcast), video (YouTube), and image marketing (photos).
Creating content can be inherently rewarding, as well as useful and inspirational for others.
It is not just ‘marketing,' it is also creating something new in the world that stands alone.
You can build a body of work through content marketing, and many creators change lives through their articles/videos/podcasts without the consumer ever buying a book by that person.
You can build another asset (i.e. a website) through the use of articles, video, or audio, whereas paid ads only give you a short-term spike in sales and income through book sales and you’re mainly building someone else’s brand.
The idea of the independent author is a creative who is free from the demands of being tied to one particular publisher, and so a business based around content marketing can give you other streams of income and help you sell books globally and through wide distribution.
Plus, I believe that the only way to stand out in this ever-growing market is to build a quality brand that readers are dedicated to for the long term.
You cannot compete on speed of publishing, as author collectives are now doing a book a day (yes, seriously!).
You cannot compete on price, as Kindle Unlimited is free.
You can only compete on being you because no one else can be you.
Your brand is dependent on author voice, how readers resonate with your stories and the other things you can bring them, as discussed in this interview with Kristine Kathryn Rusch on author branding.
(3) Publishing wide is a way of life – and it’s only getting better
Publishing wide (i.e. not exclusive to Amazon through KDP Select) is an attitude, an ethos, even a way of life.
When I said this at NINC, some people reminded me that you only have to be in Select for 90 days at a time and they can easily come out when they want.
But it’s more than that, because most who go in, don’t come out again until things begin to drop. Then they discover it’s harder to sell wide and tend to go back in again.
The fact is that it takes consistent time over years to build an audience wide. You’re never going to leave KU and get the same return in the following month.
But publishing wide gives you stability and income from multiple streams, diversifying your platform and making sure that you will not be wiped out by one company changing the rules.
If you choose wide, you have to want to be in the publishing business for the long-term and take your books seriously as intellectual property assets, not just immediate cash flow.
You have to care about your books reaching people outside the Amazon eco-system and you have to want more than just digital sales in the USA.
You have to think bigger than the 90-day cliff and today’s ranking.
I understand why authors choose KDP Select, and for many, it IS about immediate cash flow, hence why a change in perspective is needed to appreciate wide.
I’ve been an advocate for wide distribution from the beginning, partly because of my international family and lifestyle, and partly because I’m committed to independence.
I was laid off in the Global Financial Crisis of 2008, so I know how it feels to have one company take away my income stream. I swore I would never do that again. I love Amazon, but at this point, they make up only 11% of my total company income.
I’ve dabbled in KU with Penny Appleton as I had no bandwidth for other marketing, but I’m pulling those books wide in a few weeks time. I still have some books in ACX exclusive for audio tied in with royalty share for the 7 year period, but this NINC definitely helped me turn the corner with being all in for the wide model with audio as well as ebook and print.
If you’re publishing wide or considering it, then things are getting better every year, and several exciting things came out of NINC.
Draft2Digital expands into print and collaborative worlds
Draft2Digital continue to deliver new tools for authors. Kevin Tumlinson did a fantastic presentation which included tips for audio, reaching libraries, Books2Read and why you should sort out your Universal Book Links to enable wide marketing, Author Pages, and Book Tabs.
The penny dropped for me on Universal Book Links which I am in the process of getting sorted. Basically, they enable you to use one link in your advertising and readers are linked through to whichever store they prefer, and yes, you can add in your affiliate links 🙂 For an example, go to https://books2read.com/valley and you’ll see all the links for various stores on that page.
You don’t have to publish on Draft2Digital to use the Universal Book Links, so you can go make them at Books2Read.com.
D2D also announced Shared Universe functionality, also offered by BundleRabbit, which enables authors to open up their worlds to other writers and includes automatic payment splitting, the bane of the collaborator’s life! This also fills the gap left by the demise of Kindle Worlds.
D2D also announced they are enabling Print, which is now in beta but will offer print distribution primarily in the US in 2019. This will integrate into their formatting and layout templates that a lot of authors use right now.
I find it interesting that there was such excitement at the development of more print options. I’ve been talking about this on the podcast for a while now, but it does seem like more and more indie authors are moving into print as a serious part of their business.
I talked to lots of people at NINC about the Large Print option and about doing Amazon Ads for print (as discussed with children's author Karen Inglis on the podcast recently), and of course, Ingram Spark do a great job of global distribution.
Will we see market share being carved away from traditional publishing in the print sphere as it has done for ebooks? I think so, especially if B&N continues to lose focus.
Findaway Voices enable authors to set audio prices and sell direct
D2D also has a partnership with Findaway Voices who enable authors to publish with no exclusivity to 170+ markets worldwide.
Findaway Voices talked about their expansion into helping authors distribute audio after 25 years in the audio market. They distribute to Apple, Google, and other large markets. Library borrowing for audiobooks is also growing.
They now have the Authors Direct app to help you sell audio direct and they allow you to control your pricing (unlike Audible which has no creator control of sale price).
There was an interesting discussion on the use of short fiction as both marketing and another (small) income stream. I start voice coaching next week as I move into more audio narration myself. As someone who has built up an audience through voice for almost 10 years for my non-fiction, it’s time to look at doing it for my stories as well. More on audio in the final section below.
Kobo expansion into Walmart and audio
Kobo has had a big week, with Michael Tamblyn unveiling the new Kobo Forma device at Digital Book World, and also revealing details of the integration with Walmart, which now includes digital gift cards next to audiobooks, and apparently some print books in stores as well. See the picture right that Mark Leslie Lefebvre took in Florida while we were at NINC.
I talked to the fantastic Christine Monroe from Kobo Writing Life at NINC and left enthused about the possibilities for audiobooks on Kobo as well as distribution to libraries through OverDrive (owned by Rakuten, who also own Kobo).
Here’s my audiobook, The Successful Author Mindset, on Kobo, with more to come.
iBooks relaunches as Apple Books and integrates audio
I am beyond excited about this! Apple has doubled down on books and now integrated the audiobooks with ebooks on one app. All the details at www.apple.com/apple-books and yes, if you are wide, it’s time to update your branding.
Three experienced authors presented on behalf of Apple at NINC – Diane Capri, Cheryl Bradshaw, Heather Sunseri. It was great to hear some tips on Apple promotions – including long pre-orders (I have one on Valley of Dry Bones right now), how free first in series still works on Apple, and how targeted ads on Apple can work well e.g. BookBub PPC.
In conclusion, publishing wide is more exciting than ever before, with new opportunities appearing every month.
Yes, it takes time to grow an audience on different platforms and in different countries, but personally, I think it’s well worth it to build a long-term business as an author that is not dependent on one platform.
(4) What if the future is audio first?
Whenever I travel for conferences and self-development stuff rather than book research, I tend to read a lot and try to think about the bigger industry picture. I take a step back and ponder the future. I listen to podcasts and pick up magazines, and whenever I am in the USA, I look around at the way people are behaving.
The idea of an audio-first future comes from a few things:
Audio continues to be the fastest growing segment in publishing, as reported by the Publishers Association. Podcast Insights reports that 44% of the US population has listened to a podcast (with 22% of listening done in the car), and that podcast listeners are loyal, affluent and educated – and presumably, book buyers.
The rise of Storytel and how Sweden is digital first, and potentially audio first. Read this article in The New Publishing Standard, a must read blog if you’re interested in global publishing.
The growth of streaming internet speeds into developing markets. As Singularity Hub reports, there will be 4 billion new minds online by 2025. Many of those people will be mobile-first and wanting to learn. With English the global business language, there will be more demand for content in audio and digital formats.
Apple Watch with Air Pods. I didn’t understand the Apple Watch until this trip, and I certainly didn’t understand the Air Pods. Let’s face it. If you want to listen to something, you just plug your headset into your phone, right?! But there were so many people wearing the Apple Watch in Florida and I noticed the behaviour of people using it for audio, running on the beach without heavy equipment, and the way wearables are becoming more natural.
Plus, you can now get audiobooks on your watch [Engadget]. Seamless audio on the move. Magic!
The rise and rise of voice technologies:
- Google Home and now Google Play audiobooks
- Apple Books and Home Pod, as well as the Apple watch and integration of audio on the new app and IOS
- Alexa enabled everything [ZDNet] from Amazon, Audible expansion and domination in some markets (while Storytel aggressively goes after the rest).
- Development of voice tech like Amazon Polly and voice-synth AI. In my mind, there is no doubt that voice-synth AIs will take a share of the narrator market at some point, with a split between AI-read, cheap audio and ‘human-powered,’ premium audio.
This was underscored by the demonstration by Google Cloud at Digital Book World when voice technology was used to sample and then buy an audiobook purely with voice. [Thanks @katetravers for sharing!]
This is hugely exciting because for so many years we have been saying that there’s no point doing PR for book sales (e.g. radio and TV) because people won’t remember you long enough to walk into a bookstore and buy your book.
But consider the future with voice.
A commuter is sitting in their car listening to an interview, likes your ideas, asks their favorite voice assistant to buy the book and then starts listening immediately. Awesome.
I also had an interesting chat with Will Dages from Findaway Voices about ‘quality’ of narration. Both of us listen to audiobooks and podcasts at 1.5x speed.
We are listening to get info into our brains, we want to learn. We are not there for the ‘dramatic experience’ of an audiobook. This is most likely for non-fiction primarily, but once you start listening to things on 1.5x, it’s very hard to go back! I now play fiction on 1.2x.
I have a friend who is blind and he consumes audio at a speed beyond which I can understand, but it’s how the data gets into his brain. That type of consumption and processing is all about training.
Listening is reading, it’s just another medium for words to get into your brain. We are only really at the beginning of where this might go.
All this means that I am doubling down on audio.
I’m starting voice coaching so I can start narrating my own books, and I’m starting another podcast in 2019 that will relate to my fiction (and possibly yours, too!). Details to be announced once I have that sorted.
I want control of my audiobook rights and my audio brand because I know how powerful voice is. My podcast is the cornerstone of my non-fiction business, and if I can do the same for fiction, the next 10 years are incredibly exciting.
As ever, I am super-positive about the future for authors and for publishing as an industry. I also just won Publishing Commentator of the Year at Digital Book World 2018, so I guess that means the message is going down well!
This last picture is me going into exhausted introvert mode post-conference!
Any questions or thoughts, please let me know in the comments. I'd love to know what you think of today's show!
Jane Steen says
My first audiobook to be distributed on Findaway is currently in that limbo between submission for publication and full publication, so I was very interested in your comments (I didn’t know about Authors Direct–how exciting!)
My other titles are on profit-sharing on ACX with the same narrator, and I’m always frustrated at my inability to set prices. Findaway certainly seems to offer many more possibilities.
As for print, the holy grail is obviously to improve print book discovery. Like you I’m interested in expanding that income stream and will probably make print a focus in 2019.
Joanna Penn says
I definitely think print is going to continue to be a growth market for indies. Exciting times!
Nirupam Banerjee says
I somehow, still, even after reading this optimistic Article think that Print has NO future. And it will be soon having had a past only!
How can a Reader today leave the Social Media (especially the notifications there) and focus their eyeballs back into the Paper Book so easily like the last century?
Even if our Brains in the 21st century 2nd decade are not newly wired (nerve circuit changed) so as to look anything new in any brain scan, our MINDS have become ‘weird’ with respect to the 2oth century. And even if Social Media accounts are shut down by a % of the Humanity, those humans will likely land in attractions elsewhere in the Internet. Like email, blog, websites, forums, ebooks, PDFs, etc.
One screen attraction can be neutralized by only another screen attraction. So ebooks can better counter this energy field (in the the 3rd millennium) that is the Internet. Especially if the ebook is connected also to the Web.
I don’t need any stats to conclude the fate of the Print Books. My concept is, to me at least, more than any Opinion or Speculation or even Research here.
Joanna Penn says
I definitely think Print has a future – in the same way as vinyl records are having a resurgence. It’s more that the ‘mass market’consumption may switch, but people will always want a souvenir of an experience or a physical object of something special. I buy hardback editions of the audiobooks I really find useful as reference for later.
Christopher Wills says
Hi Jo. Great podcast today. I love listening to your views and learning from your knowledge.
I think one thing worth clearing up (unless I am wrong). When you talked about Author Collectives publishing one book a day, I believe you mean a load of authors getting together, writing in the same genre, maybe even in the same universe if it is scifi, and as a whole publishing one book a day. So for example, it could be 365 authors writing one book a year and publishing through a collective to result in one book a day. I don’t think you mean an author is publishing one book a day… If you do my career is doomed 🙂 . When you talk about wide do you include the fact that some authors include KU as part of a wide strategy? (Obviously not for the same book).
I am interested in audio developments but it is getting more complex. Do you have a blog post or similar that summarizes the current situation?
Keep up the great work Jo.
Joanna Penn says
Hi Christopher – yes, you’re correct on the author collective thing – but some are writing under one author name, so it is the same as ‘one author’ from Amazon’s perspective, if you see what I mean.
I don’t think publishing in KU is publishing wide. You can reach another audience, for sure, but wide means publishing globally and on all platforms to reach readers everywhere rather than being locked into the Amazon eco-system.
On audio, the current situation is that Audible dominates for the few countries it is available in, and ACX dominates for authors in the few countries who can use it for production. Then there are a number of other audiobook production and distribution options available – Findaway Voices, Author’s Republic and some others. Then there are other places listeners can buy audio – like Storytel, and now Kobo Audio, and of course, iTunes. In early 2019, we should see some more shake-up and a lot more choices.
Pete Blyth says
I’m always going to be wide ( I told a workmate I was a wide author – he told me not to eat so many pies) , but I am integrating KU into my business too. The plan is that I’ll be keeping the Dusty and Westmen series wide (and the non fiction when I get there), but I’m going to put my non series novels in to KU …the first of these, Alpha dog, is with my editor currently. I absolutely agree about never being dependent on one income stream, but I don’t see any reason not to develop KU as another income stream.
Hannah Ross says
I absolutely get what you’re saying about wide distribution, and agree that it’s a lot better than depending on Amazon for 100% of your income. Also about long-term goals and building an audience. In my experience, however, wide distribution only gave me a fraction of what I get from KU reads. So I went back to KDP Select. I was bummed out about this, and actually felt guilty, until I read a thread by one author who told that no matter what else she tried, it’s the KU reads that allow her to be a full-time author. And that ultimately is what matters.
I realize I’m at a disadvantage, because I can’t afford to invest much in my books, and also I really, really need the money. I don’t have much wiggle room at all. Hope it changes in the future, though, because I would really like to see more competition in the book market.
Joanna Penn says
Hi Hannah, I totally understand why you would be KU, and I’m so glad it’s working for you.
I hope you might consider wide in the future 🙂
Natalie Hawk says
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh I was so excited by this episode! Are you thinking about launching an audio series like Welcome To The Night Vale? I think there’s serious future in that! 🙂
Kristi Belcamino says
This was wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing all of this for those of us who couldn’t attend.
Will Casel Brown says
Another great episode, Joanna!
Your KU vs Wide comments are always a great reminder to think about the long term.
I’m really interested in your talk about content marketing for fiction authors as it’s something I’m definitely interested in. Are you planning on discussing this in depth on a future show?
J.P. Choquette says
Wow, what a jam-packed episode, Joanna. 🙂 You’re always on the cutting edge of things and I’m constantly learning new things in nearly every episode. What a fun conference–and like you, I’d have dipped into major introvert mode shortly after leaving (I’ve even been known to hide out in my hotel room to recharge). Looking forward to hearing more about your new podcast and learning about your audio narration adventures.
Like Will mentioned, I too am interested in learning more about content marketing for fiction authors. My own attempts have been slowly gaining traction since I really got serious in January. I’m excited to see how it continues to grow over time. Definitely a long-end game like you said.!
Nancy says
The concept of the “Id List” is pure genius! Thank you for mentioning & explaining it.
Joanna Penn says
All credit to Dr Jennifer Barnes!
Danie Botha says
Joanna,
How utterly refreshing!
This resonates:
“You cannot compete on speed of publishing… you cannot compete on price … you can only compete on being you…”
Distribute wide (no, wider!)
Audio, audio, audio!
And, yes, content marketing for fiction authors!
Joanna Penn says
I’ll definitely have more on content marketing for authors once I have my strategy worked out!
Sandie Hutchins says
I am so glad you are still banging the drum for wide. All my future ventures are about being wide and reaching as many people as possible. I already know that means slower growth but I don’t have a problem with that as I am here for the long term.
Thanks for another great show!
Joanna Penn says
Thanks – and yes, I’ll keep banging that drum 🙂 #teamwide
David Mark Brown says
I love the “id list.” I’ll have to sit down and work through mine!
And I definitely think we are at a transition point in narrative storytelling. Digital has yet to truly find its native format. Ebooks will fade to next to nothing over the next several years as audio and other streaming formats grow. Wattpad was extremely early. China Literature is also demonstrating the trend, in my humble opinion. And I think collaboration is only going to increase. I was a bit early on that one (predicting that everyone would be collaborating by now already). But the early jump has allowed me to play a role in the development of StoryShop and to help all these author collectives with the tools they need.
Streaming, on-demand, collaborative, interactive/dynamic. I think that is where we are going with our entertainment and our storytelling. Culture and technology are both ahead of publishing, but we will catch up!
Thanks for doing the show!
Melissa E Beckwith says
As always, loved your podcast this week. It especially hit home with me. I had so many ah-ha moments. I really loved your part about writing what you love and how readers have idiosyncratic leanings. I had never realized this fact, but it’s so true! I love anything with dragons, magic, lore, and big words…LOL! It really gave me more self-confidence.
Also appreciated the part about doing marketing you love. I recently stopped my Amazon paid ads. In over a year I have never got even close to making back what I spend on Amazon ads. I decided to stop throwing money at Amazon and will try other things.
I’ve also made up my mind to go wide as soon as my exclusivity with Amazon runs out. I was going to wait, but I’ve got three books out now and I’m not making hardly any money right now anyway, so it’s will be easier to make the brake at this point.
You also gave me some new, exciting ideas on using audio and content marketing for my website. Thanks!!
Congratulations on winning the Publishing Commentator of the Year at Digital Book World 2018. You deserve it! 🙂
Thank you so much, Joanna, for taking the time to create your wonderful podcast. If you ever stopped making them I’d feel a huge hole. Can’t wait to find out about your new podcast. <3
Joanna Penn says
Hi Melissa – this line helped a lot today: “If you ever stopped making them I’d feel a huge hole.”
I am still exhausted from the conference and getting this post out was important to me, but I have had some backlash from people who don’t agree. So I am thrilled you still find the show useful!
Ray says
Joanna:
I don’t know how you keep all of this straight. The writing/publishing world is so complicated now, with so many different businesses offering so many different services for books…
Do you have some sort of master list of things, like audio companies, digital publishing companies etc. etc. that you refer to in potential business dealings? For instance, I just recently learned about the existence of StoryBundle…and that’s just one of what, dozens, hundreds of avenues of potential collaboration.
Where does a new independent author start? The debate over giving Amazon exclusive publishing access vs. the outlets through Smashwords has been ongoing for years, but there seems to be so much more going on these days that when I complete my first book, frankly, its like, where do I actually go to get this out there? It seems like unless you are continually researching all these collaborative companies in the industry online to find if they are a match for your, work, you are missing out on a lot of what everyone else is doing…
Advice? I am already frazzled and I don’t even have one book out there yet. LOL
Thanks!
Joanna Penn says
Hi Ray, Don’t worry. You don’t have to do everything at once 🙂
(1) Finish the book – only think about publishing when you are actually in the editing stage – then decide whether you want to go the trad or indie route. Make sure you work with a professional editor to ensure the book is as good as you can make it.
This step will take a while 🙂
(2) Come back here – https://www.thecreativepenn.com/publishing/
I’ll have up to date info for you 🙂 I stay up to date with it all, so you don’t have to!
Jan Lize says
Loved the show Joanna. You really have me fired up about audio and its great potential. I’m even tempted to go buy an Apple Watch.
Joanna Penn says
I think I might have it on my birthday list for next year as well, despite having not worn a watch for about 10 years!
Paul Worthington says
Hi Joanna –
What you reported about Dr Jennifer Barnes was very interesting. Looking for more info, I saw her Ted Talk here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22yoaiLYb7M
Thanks for another great episode of The Creative Penn.
– Paul
Heather Day Gilbert says
This was an excellent post and I especially loved the info on identifying the pleasures you are drawn to in books and letting that guide what you’re writing. I think it’s such a sweet spot if you can integrate those elements you consistently love with a genre you enjoy writing (and one that sells well!). This was fresh inspiration for me today and I shared on my FB author page. Thanks for bringing a taste of NINC back to us!
JK Campbell says
Uh, Joanna, you rock. Plain and simple. Thanks for all you do!
Wayne Stinnett says
It was very nice meeting you at NINC, Joanna. I got a lot out of your session on Content Marketing. I hope you will attend again next year.
Joanna Penn says
Thanks Wayne, it was great to meet you in person after years of hearing about you online 🙂
Marion Hill says
The topics of Write what you love – and don’t feel guilty about it and KU vs Wide made the entire podcast. I’m getting ready to publish my third Kammbia fantasy novel in December and have felt like I’m not publishing fast enough. It’s been a novel about every 2 years. Obviously, I have not made enough of a living from my books yet. But, these past 5 years of writing novels have been wonderful. I have learned a lot about myself and creativity in the process. And now its time to learn how to make it a commercial product so I can leave my day job. And writing what I love and the ID List from Dr. Barnes hit home and I began writing the things I love when I’m reading. Also, I’m a book review blogger since 2011 and I’ve noticed the novels I really liked had those elements from the ID List you mentioned. Thanks for bringing that topic up. In closing, I’m Team Wide and I agree with you that we have created two camps in indie publishing. Either you are Team KDP or Team Wide. And unfortunately we can create a sense of tribalism and lose the reason of being an indie author in the first place. Having more choices to bring out work to the public should be the main focus. And whether you go Wide or KDP is a choice. And should be seen as such. Thanks Joanna for the timely podcast.
Joanna Penn says
Hi Marion – this is indeed the point: “these past 5 years of writing novels have been wonderful. I have learned a lot about myself and creativity in the process”