Writing And Publishing Using Scrivener With Gwen Hernandez

by Joanna Penn on November 22, 2012

Discovering Scrivener really did change my writing life. It helped me to organize my writing by scenes and also enables me to publish in Kindle & ePub formats easily. Today I talk to Gwen Hernandez, author of Scrivener for Dummies and we have a love-in about Scrivener!

Watch the video below or here on YouTube. You can also download the audio or read the show notes below.

Audio for Interview (right click to download) => ScrivenerGwenHernandez.mp3

Gwen Hernandez is the author of Scrivener for Dummies and she also runs classes teaching people how to use Scrivener. She is also an award winning romantic novelist.

  • Gwen got the opportunity to write Scrivener For Dummies because Wiley asked for recommendations on Twitter. We also talk about how the popularity of Scrivener spreads by word of mouth, like any great product.
  • Scrivener is writing software, but it is much easier for writers than using a word processing software like MS Word. The core of Scrivener is the different documents that you can reorder easily, especially if you don’t write in order
  • Scrivener can be used for any type of book project, or even any writing project as Gwen uses it for blog posts as well. She explains about keeping research notes, versions, templates and the ability to use end notes and other important aspects for non-fiction writers.
  • Gwen explains the epiphany of the Binder, which helps you see the entire project laid out, in scenes, parts of chapters – however you want to organize it. However, you can still be a ‘pantser’ as well as a plotter but it will help you organize.
  • scrivenerUsing the label field for color coding your scenes. You can edit the label field to be anything you like e.g. point of view, and then you can easily check the balance of the scenes. You can also use the Composition mode, which blanks everything else out so you can create (this is where I spend a lot of my writing time!) We also mention Project Targets which is great for individual writing sessions and whole projects. It keeps you motivated!
  • For series writers, it’s a matter of preference whether you use one mega-project or one project per book (which I do). You can open up 2 projects and drag material across though so it’s easy to do either. You could even have a project for the series background material, the series Bible.
  • On the magic of the Compile function, which will create Kindle .mobi files as well as ePub and Word/PDF or other formats. You can recreate the file every time you edit or change the order of the scenes. It’s fantastic for re-editing back-matter when you release a new book and you need to change all the old files. It can truly make you an independent ebook publisher!
  • You can work collaboratively on the same project by using Dropbox to sync to. You can’t work on the same file at the same time, but all you need to do is coordinate who has the file open.
  • You can use snapshots to save versions of your file, so you never lose anything. Definitely a great thing to do before you make changes from an edit.

scrivener for dummiesYou can try a free trial of Scrivener here (and it’s only $45 anyway – available for Mac and Windows – yes, I am an affiliate!)

You can buy Scrivener for Dummies here on Amazon

You can find Gwen at her site GwenHernandez.com and on twitter @gwen_hernandez

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A.K.Andrew November 22, 2012 at 5:58 am

Looks like a fantastic program. Thanks so much for the recommendation and explaining the features in a straightforward manner. Wish I’d had it when I started my current draft. I’m going to get it to complete the novel anyway!

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Joanna Penn November 22, 2012 at 10:17 am

Hi AK, if you want to self-publish, it’s worth putting the book into Scrivener when you’re done in order to output as a mobi or ePub file, and then next time, just write it in there :) Seriously, it will change your writing life!

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Tim Huntley November 22, 2012 at 6:27 am

Can you share your insights into using Scrivener to outline? A friend recommended Scrivener, but also suggested that I should purchase a product called OmniOutliner.

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Joanna Penn November 22, 2012 at 10:19 am

I rough outline by scenes using a document with one-line per potential scene, then you can move them around. You can also use Corkboard view. Gwen will have some more insights but she’ll be popping in after Thanksgiving!

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Gwen Hernandez November 23, 2012 at 2:54 pm

Tim: There are several ways to outline in Scrivener. You can just use the Binder and create a document for each scene or section, or you can use the Corkboard or Outliner to do the same thing. The corkboard shows the documents as index cards, and you can add a synopsis. The Outliner is laid out in rows, but works similarly.

I tend to just create a separate document outside the Manuscript/Draft folder and jot down my outline, then reference it when I forget where the story is supposed to go next. ;-) And I’m sure there are even more ways to do it. Good luck!

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Tim Huntley November 24, 2012 at 9:02 am

Thank you Gwen! I will proceed with Scrivener without a separate outlining product.

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Ilana Waters November 22, 2012 at 9:27 am

Don’t forget to mention what I think is Scrivener’s most important feature: auto-save! Saves ever two seconds so you never have to worry. I love that program!

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Joanna Penn November 22, 2012 at 10:19 am

Excellent point Ilana – that is a relief!

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Gwen Hernandez November 23, 2012 at 3:04 pm

Auto-save is wonderful, Ilana, and definitely one of my favorite features too.

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Caroline November 22, 2012 at 10:00 am

Great topic and very timely – thank you! Just before I clicked over to your site I was looking at Scrivener and wondering if it would be more trouble to learn than it was worth. It looks great and I’m going to give it a go. Thanks Joanna.

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Joanna Penn November 22, 2012 at 10:22 am

It’s no trouble at all Caroline, start with the easy stuff, get writing and you’ll be great. Another book I recommend is ‘writing a novel on Scrivener’ with David Hewson – only on Kindle http://amzn.to/10kjAHm

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J.M. Porup November 22, 2012 at 12:32 pm

Now if only there were a Linux version…

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Gwen Hernandez November 23, 2012 at 3:06 pm

J.M.: There is a Linux option, but I haven’t played around with it at all. You can find more info here: http://literatureandlatte.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=33.

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Karen Prince November 23, 2012 at 12:38 am

Hi, Joanna and Gwen.

Just a short note to add my favorite thing about Scrivener. After I had formatted my manuscript into .mobi and .epub I was able to test it in ‘Kindle Previewer’ and ‘Adobe Digital Editions’ respectively and make changes before it went out (For instance, my original cover did not look nice in black and white inside the old Kindle so I was able to change it and re-format my .mobi file in a flash).

Then, once my book was up on Amazon someone noticed the incorrect use of the word, stationery, and I was able to remove book, adjust and put book back on Amazon in minutes without having to wait for a format tech person to do it for me. Total control . . . That’s what I am talking about.

One thing I was never able to work out, though, was how to include a Prologue. Will buy Gwen’s book anyway.

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Joanna Penn November 23, 2012 at 2:09 am

It is awesome being able to change things so fast, also useful when you have a new book out and you want to adjust the other versions to include links to the new one!
I included a Prologue just by adding a new document and calling it Prologue – nothing flash :)

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Karen Prince November 23, 2012 at 5:33 am

No. My document wanted to call it ‘Chapter One’, even when I called the file ‘Prologue’ Never mind. Sent it off as it was. Hope to learn the trick eventually.

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Gwen Hernandez November 23, 2012 at 3:44 pm

Karen: Scrivener is awesome for maintaining control of your work. Compile takes some time to master, and I’m still finding new options.

If you’re using the Windows version, the best way to fix that is to not use chapter auto-numbering. That’s covered in my book, or for a quick look, you can go to the Compile post on my Scrivener Tips page: http://gwenhernandez.com/2011/01/04/tech-tuesday-compile-in-scrivener-2-x/.

The Mac also offers a bit more elegant solution if you want to keep auto-numbering turned on. You can select the Prologue document to not be included by going into the Title Adjustments tab of the Compile window. Choose the drop-down menu next to “Do Not Add Title Prefix or Suffix To Documents” and choose your Prologue. That will prevent it from adding the auto-number to that item. More on that in the book too. :-) Good luck!

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Karen Prince November 24, 2012 at 3:09 am

Fantastic, Gwen. I’m on a mac. went in and tested your instructions and it worked.

Gruff January 27, 2013 at 4:09 am

The details depends which version of Scrivener you’re on, but you can do this even in the Windows version 1.2.5. When you go to compile, the expanded options show things like contents, separators, formatting, transformations etc. and you need to go the formatting section or tab (depending which version of scrivener you use). Once there you can edit how each level and/or its descendents are formatted. e.g. click “Level 1+” and the ‘Modify’ and then click “Section Layout” and you can change how all levels from the root and below are handled.
So, what I’ve done, is removed the Prefix from Level 1+, and added (cut and pasted in fact) a prefix to Level 2+ instead. The code for the prefix needs to be “Chapter ” (without the quote marks). This means every level 2 file in the binder is a chapter. I keep chapters inside folders representing parts and anything before part 1 in the root level therefore doesn’t get a chapter number – so that can be quotations and the prologue. You can also set Level 1 folders to have prefixes so your parts have names.
HTH
Gruff

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Ryan Casey November 23, 2012 at 7:14 am

Good post! I’m seriously considering using Scrivener for my next novel, so this interview is very insightful and timely indeed. Thanks for sharing, Joanna, and cheers to Gwen for the useful advice!

Ryan

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Gwen Hernandez November 23, 2012 at 3:45 pm

Ryan: Glad you found it helpful! I’d suggest giving the free trial a chance. If you change your mind, you can always export (or even just copy and paste) what you’ve written into Word. I’m guessing you won’t want to. ;-)

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Erika Maki November 23, 2012 at 5:12 pm

This is a great post Joanna. I have been looking at all your posts about Scrivener, and I’ve finally convinced my parents to buy it for me as an early Christmas present. I’m going to buy all the related books about Scrivener, too, and “Scrivener for Dummies” is one of them. Thank you Ms. Hernandez for your brief overview of Scrivener. This is definitely going to be a Scrivener-themed Christmas for me. I recently began brainstorming ideas for a novel about a year and three months ago. I haven’t touched the folder for the novel in quite a while, due to school commitments, but because of Scrivener, I can finally continue with my brainstorming and hopefully begin writing it this Christmas. I first found out about Scrivener through your 2012 Nanowrimo posts Joanna, and I’ve been hooked on this program ever since. I can’t stop obsessing about it. Finally, once I’m incrediby comfortable with Scrivener, I’m looking forward to entering Nanowrimo in November 2013. Thank you so much Joana and Gwen. You’ve definitely made a Canadian teen’s Christmas. :)

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Gwen Hernandez November 24, 2012 at 12:34 pm

Erika: Enjoy your Scrivener-themed Christmas, and good luck with the novel!

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Joanna Penn November 26, 2012 at 1:06 am

Lovely to hear from you Erika, and I hope you find Scrivener is the best tool for you. I wish I had continued writing in my teens – please write that novel and keep writing – don’t get crushed by “real life” as you get older (as I did!) I only started writing again at 30-ish after years of thinking I wasn’t creative. Hold onto that creativity!

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Amanda November 23, 2012 at 11:39 pm

Does scrivener work well on netbooks? I am planning on buying a netbook dedicated to writing.
Thanks :)

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Gwen Hernandez November 24, 2012 at 12:35 pm

Amanda: It should be fine, though I imagine you’d want to do most of your writing in full screen mode to make the most of the small screen. Probably the best way to decide is to check out the free trial of Scrivener once you get your netbook and see if the screen has enough real estate for it.

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Gary A. Swaby November 25, 2012 at 5:43 pm

Joanna,

I’d like to learn a lot more about your writing process, because it amazes me how you can just write different scenes in your book and connect them all, ensuring that they flow together well.

My mind can’t fathom writing in a non linear fashion. I think I would find it hard to write a scene without having wrote all the scenes leading up to it first. I would probably have to do an enormous amount of planning first to try writing like that, but in previous comments you’ve stated that you don’t do tons of planning.

You must be very talented.

Thanks for the great Scrivener tips Gwen. I know the program really well, but you helped me think of some new ways to use it.

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Gwen Hernandez November 25, 2012 at 6:44 pm

Gary: I’m glad you found the tips helpful. I have problems writing out of order too, but sometimes I think of a snippet–or occasionally a whole scene–that I’m not ready for yet. Then I create a new document and get it down before I forget. Later, I use split screen or Scrivenings mode (viewing multiple documents in the Editor) to make sure the transition and flow between scenes works.

Good luck!

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Joanna Penn November 26, 2012 at 1:15 am

Hi Gary, everyone has a different writing style. I am totally hooked on setting and location – so I often have scene ideas based on places, and then I fit a story idea into it. I always know the beginning and the end, and then I write the middle, often focusing on one character arc. I do a lot of knitting together later though, and a lot of rewrites – so I’m not sure this is the most effective writing style!
Lots of people write like you – Lee Child [Jack Reacher books] writes in a linear fashion, without knowing the end – as does Tess Gerritsen (crime books). So you’re in good company!

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Millionth Monkey editing service November 26, 2012 at 1:52 pm

The greatest benefit of Scrivener is that everything is in one place. My notes are no longer a pile of matchbook covers, cocktail napkins and crumpled envelopes. Scrivener makes it painless to stay organized.

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Gwen Hernandez November 26, 2012 at 1:56 pm

That’s a huge benefit, Millionth Monkey. Plus, having all of your notes and research right in the project make it easy to take your writing on the road. :-)

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Gina Fava December 12, 2012 at 2:47 pm

Joanna,
Thank you for another helpful article. After I read it, I picked up Scrivener for Dummies–huge help with converting my manuscript in Word over to an ePub PDF. Love this book for breaking it all down and sharing the finer nuances of Scrivener that aren’t so readily apparent.

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Gwen Hernandez December 12, 2012 at 2:49 pm

Gina: I’m so glad the book was helpful to you. Thanks!

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Erika Maki December 20, 2012 at 5:31 pm

Scrivener is so awesome! I have organized my imported files from Microsoft Word into the Binder, created synopses for all my Unused Scenes (scenes that are still in the brainstorming phase), I have tracked basic elements of my scenes by working with the with the Label and Status fields, have a good idea of which Support Panes I want to make use during my project and of how I want to use them, and I am FINALLY ready to continue to develop this project further by actually writing with this new program, since I have just begin reading the part of the book (“Scrivener for Dummies”), concerned with writing (what the main purpose of this program is for. I’m so excited! Have I gotten you eager to hear more? If so, writers of all ages and experience levels have to try one of the newest (and what I consider to be one of the best) writing management tools out there right now called SCRIVENER. My days with Microsoft Word are over! Thanks Literature and Latte! Your company is filled with creative geniuses. And Gwen, if you’re out there, once again, thank you for writing the extremely helpful For Dummies book for this fantastic program. You rock!

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Gwen Hernandez December 21, 2012 at 5:59 am

Thanks, Erika! It sounds like you’re doing well with Scrivener. Good luck with your writing!

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Karen Prince December 20, 2012 at 10:32 pm

Hi Joanna and Gwen,

For anyone who is still wondering if they should get Scrivener, I put together a ScreenFlow video demo for my writers group — who were reluctant to spend money on, and then learn a whole new program — showing why I love using it. It is not a tutorial, just an overview. I hope you don’t think I am spamming you, I just want to make writers lives easier. http://t.co/5kYvXflr

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Jacqui January 8, 2013 at 6:50 pm

I have been trying to compare iWorks Pages with Scrivener on google and so far have not really had anything to take me over the line. Scrivener does look impressive, but Pages is also great to work with. I am just trying to decide to either have both or stick with Pages. Hope someone can help, thanks!

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Jule Owen February 8, 2013 at 6:22 am

Hi Gwen, can you build fixed-layout EPUBs using Scrivener?

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Gwen Hernandez February 10, 2013 at 7:31 pm

Jule: Scrivener is not set up to produce fixed-layout epubs.

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Jule Owen February 11, 2013 at 6:17 am

Thanks for the response Gwen

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James February 25, 2013 at 3:10 pm

Well, this is a lot of euphoria about a program which seems to do lots of important things. I am wondering how it handles tables, graphics, quite a few heading styles, wrap around, etc. Until recently, I’d've happily abandoned trad word processors, but I’m having a surprisingly nice relationship with Word 2011 for Mac. So does sophisticated formatting copy reliably into Scrivener?

Thanks,

James

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Gwen Hernandez February 25, 2013 at 5:07 pm

James: If you have a lot of tables, graphics, and sophisticated formatting, you might prefer to stick with Word. It can handle those things, but the learning curve is much higher.

Of course, you could use Scrivener for the writing, organization, etc, and then export to Word for final formatting. Thanks!

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D.J. Gelner February 26, 2013 at 10:52 pm

Love my Scrivener–absolutely love it. No coincidence that my writing improved tremendously once I started using it. From the easy formatting (watch the tutorials!) to the painless compiling/updating, it’s amazing it’s only $45. I feel like I barely dig into the real meat of the program and it’s already worth every penny.

Thanks for posting, Joanna. Gwen–going to order the book now so that I can become a Scrivener ace!

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Jacqui February 27, 2013 at 12:17 am

I have bought myself the Scrivener for Dummies, but now I am also curious about the tutorials to watch …. have you got any links … I think any extra help will be great, thanks D.J.

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Gwen Hernandez February 27, 2013 at 9:08 am

Jacqui: Thanks for buying the book! You can find the Scrivener video tutorials at http://www.literatureandlatte.com/videos.php.

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Jacqui February 27, 2013 at 6:18 pm

Oh Perfect!!! Thank you so much!!! And you are very welcome! Loving the book and have recommended to friends already!! Thx!

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Gwen Hernandez February 27, 2013 at 9:06 am

Great, DJ! I hope you find the book as helpful as the software. :-)

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Debby Gies April 17, 2013 at 10:36 am

Hi Joanna! Love, love, all your info, as I am a novice and will soon be ready to look into publishing for my book, your info is invaluable. I am no techie and spending as much time trying to learn the publishing end of being a writer, as well as my writing. I watched this video and definitely have to get scrivener! My questions are: If you write in scrivener, does it have to be exported to word after to publish to kindle, epub, etc. Also, by using scrivener does this mean I wouldn’t have to buy templates for my book? Any advice is a great help. I am so happy you are so kind and always willing to help new authors. If there was an award for greatest helper in the new publishing world, you would definitely have my vote!!!

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Gwen Hernandez April 17, 2013 at 10:41 am

Debby: You can export (compile) from Scrivener directly to EPUB and MOBI files, so you can skip Word altogether. Of course, it exports to DOC and many other formats as well.

I’ll let Joanna handle the templates question, but you should be able to handle all of the formatting during the export process.

Good luck!

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Debby Gies April 17, 2013 at 11:30 am

Thanks so much for replying Gwen! That is even more awesome news for me. I can’t wait to get started. I am currently writing my book long hand, as this works for me. After watching your video with Joanna, I had to laugh at my little set up with my hand writing is like the prehistoric version of Scrivener. I colour code my chapters and inserts as I write because I don’t write in sequence. I am halfway done my first draft and then the plan is to lay out all my chapters and compile them into the book. I then go to the computer and type in the draft, revising it into 2nd draft as I type. Scrivener will be awesome for me to enter my 2nd draft and continue on from there without the dinosaurs, lol.

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Joanna Penn April 18, 2013 at 1:45 am

Hi Debbie,
You wouldn’t need templates for your ebooks, unless they were very complicated. I output directly with no problem. But for print books, I pay for a professional interior designer for formatting, or you could check out Book Design Templates http://bit.ly/11X9v6T
All the best!

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Debby Gies April 18, 2013 at 5:15 pm

Thanks for replying, as usual Joanna! Good to know about downloading right from scrivener, this is so exciting. Now for POD that confuses me. So 2 questions on that, are you saying to buy the templates and then I would compile my book from scrivener to the templates? Then enter these templates to eg: createspace? 2) How does the procedure of professional formatting work? I really appreciate your help!

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Joanna Penn April 19, 2013 at 2:21 am

Basically Scrivener will not output a formatted book for print – because that depends on what size etc. Your options are:
a) use a template – and paste your word file in (that you have outputted from Scrivener)
b) use a pro designer e.g. http://www.thecreativepenn.com/2013/03/31/book-design-interior-formatting/
If you listen to that interview you’ll understand the process, or email Jane directly.
Thanks, Joanna

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Debby Gies April 19, 2013 at 5:40 pm

Thanks ever so much, You are so awesome!!!!

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